Good points.

God I would love to see the Astros swoop in and make a deal for Tejada. Mike would have to watch Tejada send the Astros to another World Series and watch Prior struggle to win 10 games. How fantastic would that be?
 

1. Don't care if he is a Cub for life or not. We've got him for another two seasons. Tejada will be 32 (holy crap, Tejada is only 29???). Prior will be 27. Let's not forget that Prior is A YEAR YOUNGER THAN US.

2. Neifi Perez is a "clubhouse guy." Is he worth Prior?
 

Yet again, mayfield, showing his idiocy.
 

If you want to compare the "clubhouse guy" and leadership of Neifi to Tejada...I'm listening.

Let's just short term look at this. The Cubs have Prior for two more years. Who gives them a better chance of winning the World Series in the next two years. I'm taking Tejada.
 

Prior was number 17 in MLB pitchers for win shares last season. Dontrelle Willis, who was number one, had 26 in 236 IP. Prior pitched 166.7 innings. So Willis was good for almost exactly one win share per nine innings pitched, and Prior was .92 win shares per nine. Prior, had he pitched the same number of innings as Willis, would have had 24 win shares, good enough for third in all of baseball--two behind Willis, one behind Roger Clemens, and two ahead of Mayfield's precious Roy Oswalt.

So, Prior was basically good for a win share in each of his starts. Tejada, on the other hand, was good for a win share out of every 6.23 games he played.

What is frustrating me is that you guys are totally arguing off the top of your head—“gut feelings.” I throw out stat after stat after stat that Prior should be untouchable, and you do not back up one bit of your arguments. You just come back with “they have a better chance of winning the World Series in the next two years with Tejada.”

I guess I am at the end of my argument. Basically every statistical, quantifiable way of measuring a player's value is on this blog right now, and they all point to not trading away Prior. You guys do not like Prior, so you think that the Cubs should trade him. The proverbial horse has, in fact, been beaten to death. We'll agree to disagree.
 

Showing my idiocy?

You said this was a possible trade a couple of days ago.

O's get: Prior, Patterson
A's get: Cub prospects, Erik Berard
Cubs get: Tejada, Zito

Seriously Mike stay off the Cub fan sites when looking up Hot stove info.

You honestly thought a Cy young winner and an MVP were worth it for Prior and prospects? The true deal possibility goes like this...

O's get:Prior AND Zito
A's get:Berard
Cubs get:Tejada

Your question was "..is Prior worth it for Tejada from a Cubs fan perspective?" And the answer is YES.
It looks like the O's don't even like the current deal which also includes a lefty Cy Young winner along with Prior.

When looking up stats you should check out WINS. Last time I checked Oswalt had OVER twice as many. While your at it, check out his ERA which is better as well. Oh, and don't forget WHIP.
 

Dave Studeman, a writer for "The Hardball Times"--you know, a guy who writes books and gets paid to know stuff about baseball stats?--wrote this about a pitcher's W-L record (referring to how their stats are published on their site):

"In fact, we think won/loss record is so irrelevant, we haven't even bothered to post it yet."

Secondly, that trade rumor was not from a "Cubs fan site." It was reported by both ESPN 1000 and The Score in Chicago. I did not just make up those names.

If the O's were dumb enough to pass up Barry Zito and Mark Prior, they clearly only care about Tejada selling jerseys.

I have also seen where Zito winds up in Baltimore. I have also seen where Boston gets Zito and Prior. Etc., etc., etc. The point is, don't say that I am just making up shit, or basing it on "fan sites." Those were real reports from real reporters.

We'll see what happens.
 

Wins do matter otherwise the Rocket would have won the Cy Young last year.

And I just read at www.supergaycubfans.com that this 4 team deal is close to happening

Astros get:Corey Patterson

Yankees get: Mark Prior

Giants get: Neifi Perez

Cubs get:Barry Bonds, Jason Schmidt, Roy Oswalt, Andy Pettitte, Brad Lidge, Gary Shefield, Derek Jeter, A-rod, a first round draft pick, and cash.
 

God, you are a douche bag.

1. Wins matter to people who refuse to take a deeper look at baseball statistics past what is in the box score. Wins do not matter as much to people like Billy Beane, who somehow always has a team that competes to get into the playoffs.

2. You can question reporters that are featured nationally on ESPN Radio on shows like the Dan Patrick Show all you want. But stop calling my credibility into question, fuck head. I simply typed out what was reported. Those reports, for the last time, were not dream scenarios typed out by some message board geek.
 

Okay wins don't matter...Roy O still has a better ERA and Whip plus the guy is a horse, in the past 4 years there is only one NL pitcher who has logged more innings and that is the King of Horses Livan Hernandez. And he is only ahead of Oswalt because he has been healthy during this entire stretch and Oswalt missed a lot of games back in 2003 with a hamstring issue.

When you decided to call out a pitcher you should have gone with someone else. Roy beats Prior in every stat except for K's (which is not important unless you are a closer), and times placed on the DL.

Prior has potential, Oswalt has Proof.
 

So wins don't matter, well just to make sure lets look at the pitchers who have the most wins of the past 4 years. (And remember as stated before Oswalt missed a lot of 2003)

In 3rd place with an astonishing 65 wins Pedro Martinez. I hear he is pretty good.

In 2nd place with an impressive 67 wins Mark Mulder. Not a bad pitcher either.

And the pitcher with the most wins is...that hick from Weir, MS...Mr. undersized at 6 feet tall weighing only a buck seventy...the originator of the O's Bro's...Michael Barrets worst nightmare...Mr. Roy Oswalt himself with 69 wins.

Now I agree wins are not the most important thing in the world, but just because Prior has so few doesn't mean that wins should not count at all. Why else would we celebrate 300 game winners?
 

When, exactly, did this become about your boyfriend Oswalt again?
 

When you brought him up, thats when.